In a letter to the editor "People critical of religion may fear it" may have a point, but I do not believe it is the one Joe [the letter-writer] is trying to make. First off, a few things from his letter:
"My children were taught in public schools that their ancestors were monkeys, then perhaps they evolved all the way back to the ooze in the Nile River. "
He obviously doesn't really understand what evolution is, let alone how it's being taught in the classroom. But that's pretty typical of theists. They seem more afraid of something causing them to actually think about their religious beliefs than damn near anything else. As for morality:
"Hollywood immorality seems to have crept into our society. If we are but evolved animals, any established morality is out the window. "
Is religion a viable source of morality? I know theists like to make such claims, but when you look at not only the scores of differences between the moral beliefs of the multitude of religions in the world, but also look at many of the things done in the name of a religion!
Yes, some of the ideas of what is considered moral today and what is not may stem from one or more religious beliefs -- but it is not the belief in a particular religion that makes something moral, but societies decision of what is considered moral! If that was true then theists wouldn't be committing any crimes let alone the most heinous! How many religious leaders have been found to be much less moral than their own teachings? How many children have to die from medical neglect due to someone's religious beliefs. No, as we have discussed many times, morality and religion do not go hand-in-hand, as many theists like to delude themselves. And Joe, your information about Hitler is just plain wrong:
Yes, some of the ideas of what is considered moral today and what is not may stem from one or more religious beliefs -- but it is not the belief in a particular religion that makes something moral, but societies decision of what is considered moral! If that was true then theists wouldn't be committing any crimes let alone the most heinous! How many religious leaders have been found to be much less moral than their own teachings? How many children have to die from medical neglect due to someone's religious beliefs. No, as we have discussed many times, morality and religion do not go hand-in-hand, as many theists like to delude themselves. And Joe, your information about Hitler is just plain wrong:
"By the way, Adolf Hitler, of no known religious affiliation, was an angry man who killed thousands of religious people."
Hitler's words often invoked Christianity, for example: (I underlined for emphasis)
"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality.
Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during recent years." (Adolf Hitler from the address he gave after coming to power in Germany (from "My New Order, The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939", Vol. 1, pp. 871-872, Oxford University Press, London, 1942)."
As you can see, Hitler agrees with you about your Christianity being the very basis for morality, don't you feel special -- you have the same moral code as Adolf Hitler! Yes, if you read any of Hitler's speeches, you will see Hitler invoked Christianity often! Joe, you said:
"This country is about freedom of, not from, religion. "Freedom 'of' includes the freedom to not believe -- or else it's not really freedom is it? Just another form of religious control and oppression. Joe, I have a question, supposed we did turn the US into a theocracy, which seems to be what you are preaching. Suppose it didn't pick your particular version of Christianity. What would you do then? Freedom of Religion is what should be preventing that, but you aren't really about Freedom of Religion. Your idea seems to be Freedom of religion, as long as the religion is yours. That's not freedom!
OK, enough of his letter for the moment. I would like to talk about fear! I am not afraid of religion, and every non-theist I know isn't afraid of it. If there is some deity that I will meet after I die, I will stand by my life! Instead of trying to use a deity as an excuse, I live my life here and now! When I make a mistake I pay for it now! I make amends with people, I have committed no crimes, nor contemplated any, I don't even cheat on my taxes. And I live my life without the need to beg forgiveness from anyone, let alone your version of a deity. You, on the other hand, live in fear!
Yes, look at your religion, it's based on fear. You try and live some aspects of your life by a set of rules handed to you by other men -- in the hopes your deity has the same set of rules. You refuse to take responsibility for your actions because you regularly ask your deity to forgive your trespasses, instead of getting the forgiveness from the people you have hurt. You believe because you are scared of some eternal punishment. If you disagree, tell me how do you preach to non-believers? Look at this article from the World News Daily, "Will scientists who reject God face greater judgment?". While the WND isn't great source for news, I see this article as an example of the fear Christians keep trying to play upon.
"Are those who have a science degree and have rejected Christ going to be held more accountable before God based upon Romans 1:20?"Why could this be the case, because -- according to the author:
"The holder of a science degree has had a high level of exposure to irreducible complexity, information science and special design, clearly illustrating the existence of God and His attributes."So . . . since you have a science degree, you are more exposed to pseudoscience . . . and if you fail to recognize pseudoscience as God's work, you will be judged by God more harshly than anyone else. Anyone else see the 'fear' at work. It's not' believe because it's right', it's not' believe because it's good' . . . no, the message is 'believe or else'. It's not just being judged more harshly, but your condemnation will be greater because you refuse to agree that pseudoscience is really some deity playing around..
"They spend years, if not a lifetime, being exposed to an unlimited amount of detail of special design, and many still reject it. As a result, will their condemnation be greater? I believe so."You typically hear things along this line from theists when they mention things like 'going to hell!' . . . I have a question . . . why do they feel they have to threaten to gain adherents? The first thing I usually hear is not all the good things done in the name of a particular religion, but that if I don't join their particular branch, I will burn for all eternity. Fear is the marketing message!
If you read the whole WND article, don't you just love the author's analogy at the end. Eating high cholesterol food isn't bad for you! How can it be bad for you, it's in the Bible:
"Since her restrictions were completely contrary to what I can eat based upon Scripture, I knew it was her source of information, “man’s wisdom,” that was wrong and not mine."Scientific evidence has supported for years that saturated fats and high level of cholesterol are bad for your arteries and your heart. But, this guy treats the Bible as a nutritional textbook! Even the research he hints at claiming that it's not really bad for you is misleading. The degree is what has changed, not the unhealthy aspects of such a diet. But it doesn't matter to the author, if anything is based on man's knowledge, it gets immediately dismissed.
Back to the original article and the idea of 'fear', you are afraid to live your life, to take responsibility for your actions, to live without the crutch of an ancient belief set. And you think it's others that are afraid?
There is one thing I fear, it's the damage theists do, all in the name of their religion. Your homophobia, your intolerance, your willingness to execute your own children through a lack of basic medical care, your efforts to destroy science education in the name of your belief set, your need to pass laws protecting your rights at the expense of the rights of others -- are just a few examples. Disagree? How about your own intolerance. Let me repeat:
"This country is about freedom of, not from, religion. "You see? You can't even handle the idea of non-believers, whether they are atheists, agnostics, or apathists. What you seem to be afraid of is a dissenting point of view.
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